tion Disrupted by Treasonous Persons in the Hawaiian Islands
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Isaac Harp Aloha Amelia, First I want to say Mahalo for your years of research and sharing of information. To tell you the truth, a lot of what you share stretches the boundaries of my intelligence but I have learned much from what you have shared. Could you please clarify this for me? Is it your opinion that because the newspaper article reports that no champion for the 1864 Constitution stepped forward to speak in support of the 1864 Constitution, that this in itself invalidated the 1864 Constitution somehow? If so, I remain ignorant as to how this could be. If the 1864 Constitution was lawfully promulgated by Kamehameha V with amendments by the legislative assembly, should it not be required that after being elected that King Lunalilo should have formerly abrogated the 1864 Constitution to provide for reverting back to the 1852 Constitution? I see in the newspaper article that it was Resolved that four representatives were instructed to vote for Lunalilo and no one else, but I do not see anything in the newspaper article that replaces the 1864 Constitution with that of 1852. Although the article does refer to the manifesto of the Prince to the people in which he engages to restore the Constitution of Kamehameha III, I see no evidence in the article that this was actually carried out. Is there another source where we could find evidence that the 1864 Constitution was later abrogated or replaced by the 1852 Constitution? Mr. C.E.Williams stated that there was an important omission in the resolution, that it did not state which Constitution would be adopted. While Mr. P.C, Jones stated that there is but one. This further leads me to believe that the newspaper article is insufficient evidence that the 1864 Constitution is not now the lawful Constitution of the Kingdom. Mahalo for any clarity you can provide Amelia. Aloha, Paka
Amelia Gora hi, currently am reviewing the actors, er...the treasonous persons who infiltrated our Hawaiian government.....finding that William Lee was problematic at the start..........I think that the 1852 Constitution basically locks in because the foundation laws were created by Kamehameha III - Kauikeaouli and his is the basis of the Statute laws, etc. Kamehameha III - Kauikeaouli locked in the alodio/lodio/alodial land system and secured it forever to our people........William Lee had some conflicts with the laws and the reality is that he had no say.........he was not the Sovereign, heir or successor.........William Lee an other Americans such as Charles Reed Bishop were on assignment, early spies who arrived in the islands........... now let's look at his death....a week before he died he said someone poisoned him..............the Judd's were selling an 'abundant supply of arsenic in Hawaii' and advertised on the mainland as well.............Kamehameha III died in 1854 then succeeded by his hanai son Alexander Liholiho who was his step brother as well.....Alexander continues on and his wife Emma fools around with a haole and Alexander shot him.....and the haole died months later.........Alexander died shortly after his son died...... Lot had signed an open ended agreement with the sugar planters as Minister of Interior and CW Ashford, an attorney perpetuated Lot's agreement and it was even perpetuated by the U.S. President appointed governor named Poindexter.........it was over the use of the Crown Lands, etc.,.......Lot was surrounded by treasonous persons and personally I think he was a savante, an extra chromosome man who was supported by haole opportunists to slowly assume lands, rights, interests giving them power through the legalese, etc. Kalakaua wrote up a law where no idiots could be rulers ..............and yet he should talk! lol http://maoliworld.ning.com/.../our-hawaiian-monarchy... Kalakaua tried to sell Hawaii to Japan, then the U.S. ....Kalakaua was a heavy drinker, a Mason of the highest degree.........so there are several factors in what was going on............he was under duress, as well as treasonous ............so, the 1852- Amelia Gora Constitution is still in place because it was not abrogated and the 1868 Constitution should be scrutinized because it was claimed to be an updated version of the 1852 Constitution....another thing, lawless activities progressed through the failure of the Judges who were in position after Kamehameha III - Kauikeaouli passed......... Kamehameha III - Kauikeaouli was the Supreme Court Judge and he selected Kaauwai, John Kapena, John Ii, and another as his Judges.....currently reviewing the Judges ----and looked for their cases....noticed that the HAWAIIAN REPORTS begins with the credits to Lee........research incomplete...........oh btw during King Kalakaua's period the Judges took control and said that they made the rules and their rules were the law! treasonous SOB's and what happened to records of prosecutions for such individuals? btw the Judd's ended up being administrators of John Ii Estate and they are the ones on Land Court Application 1000 assuming John Ii's families lands, etc.............corruption to the core..........auwe..... so, the haole i think did not want to truth to be let out that the Hawaiians were actually more progressive than they....especially due to being the first to pass the anti-slavery law in 1852 and the U.S. passed theirs in 1865.......aloha.... have to get a shuteye cause have a slight headache for lack of sleep........till later.........aloha,
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Tim Reis Mahalo Amelia Gora. That is mountain of information, one could get lost in.
Definitely things to research.
Something you did mention sparks an interest.
I often wondered about the circumstances and discussions surrounding the passage of Chapter LXXXVIII (88?) of the Hawaiian Penal Code "To regulate the sale of deadly poisons."
There are many unanswered questions in our history.
Puanani Rogers Aloha kakou, Mahalo Paka and everyone that have been contributing to this conversation. Aloha Tim Reis and mahalo for your input. All this is helpful in our work to organize ahupua`a councils on Kauai. I need help as we begin to bring together the rule...See More
Kaylene Kauwila Sheldon Amelia Gora yup oiai'o, the Kanahele Ohana who hold a deed title got evicted from I assume from John Morgan a dependent of Judd!- Kaylene Kauwila Sheldon Sorry a descendent
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- Isaac Harp Aloha Aunty Puanani Rogers, Mahalo for sharing, and for your comments and question. After the representatives are elected the people can tell them what they want them to do, including looking at what our Queen was working on if that's what the people want. We have a ways to go to get there and we are taking it slow so everybody is clear on where we're going. A hui hou, Paka
- Isaac Harp Aloha Amelia, Do you know if there is a law that specifies that when Constitutional amendments are adopted that the original (pre amendment) Constitution must be abrogated? I'm not finding any hard evidence that the 1852 Constitution is still in effect. What I have found is that the 1864 Constitution was in effect up until the 1887 "Bayonet" Constitution was forced on Kalakaua. Mahalo, Paka
- Isaac Harp Aloha Chuck Flaherty, Disappointing to hear that the civic clubs will be participating in the entrapment process. I guess it's to be expected with Anelle Amaral leading the pack. Aloha, Paka
Lei Niheu @ Chuck I concur with Paka. Calling as it is -----Entrapment. The process is American. Hawaiians, who are American Nationals, cannot see the fraudulent and deceptive practice of continuing the theft of our legacy, have by all means forfeited their claim and right to be counted as a Hawaiian National; therefore, should be considered a enemi of the Kingdom. Civic clubs should due their civic responsibility to ensure the health and wellbeing of Maoli Hawaii and the longevity of our Maoli culture is closely match to that which is our ancestors..... So if someone casts a pebble, it has nothing to do with sin....not all all. However, It is a SIN, when a crime/theft has been committed, due diligence, and due judicial process retreats under layers of political deception, muck & mire, that it resembles a Gloriously Jewelled Papal cloak, universally they all forget the crime, the theft of our nation, ultimately forfeit their civic responsibility .....to seek due diligence, due judicial process. It was late last year or early months of 2015 the civic clubs reject a similar OHA-Federal Entity Favoring Nation Building Project with large financial backing & political clout....at this very same event civic club members voted for the removal Arnell Amoral as president. Because her political pearl was to make us federal Indian tribal Status. R u aware that many federal Indian tribes are DIS-membering their members in part to competing resources and finances among themselves. Federal government is scaling back their financial support, hence, leaders are reviewing their members and make up all kinds rules, kicking members out of the tribes and consolidating their resources to those who meet rules and criteria. Like Kana'iolowalu, Na'i Aupuni is a TRAP. If U take that Bait....u knowingly commiting us to same fateful Trap..... Being an Hawaiian, but American National, is not the same as a Hawaiian who is a Hawaiian National u need to know where u really stand. A Sovereign Independence Nation of Hawaii is a realistic and a hard fought goal, and our true destiny because our tupuna lived this way.- Lei Niheu @ Chuck u said: The Association of Hawaiian Civic Clubs will be participating with OHA, CHNA and DHHL (D.O.I.) in Na'i Aupuni voting process.....I say " SHAMEFUL" . R U aware those positions of leadership in those agencies take an oath of office whose allegiance is to America. Historically civic clubs supported the wellbeing of our lahui, these kupuna had witness the grave wrong done to our Nation and directly experienced the pain and loss and fought hard against this injustice, knowingly, this was also a fight for the right to humanly exist when u consider the odds in those times. Over time, our Lahui Maoli dwindled, small in numbers, eventually, a civic functions waned in participation. This sophisticated political process is stealthy, and untrustworthy.......this process has no integrity. Political and Economic gains are strong incentives that u, through your CC affiliations, are willingly engineering cultural genocide in the name of American Nationals Of Hawaiian Ancestry.
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